Dear blog friends,

I promised you a second dream study on ecology and here it comes! Last time, I let you with the question: What do dreams advice to save the planet?

An answer to this crucial question can be found in the article that Christiane published on her French blog on 23 october 2019. I can't wait to share it with you, so I give her the floor:

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It's been almost a month since I wrote anything on my blog. It is not that I forget my blog friends, but I have been completely absorbed in the preparation of my two-day seminar, which just took place this past weekend: "Dreams and the Bible" was the subject of study on Saturday; that of Sunday was "The Wrath of God and the Wrath of Christ in the Bible, and in the dreams of the past and the present". It was a rare, intense, exciting and oh so instructive research work!

But back to our blog.

Three weeks ago, I embarked with you on an investigation. Do you remember? I brought up a dream about a burning issue, a dream that dealt with a planetary catastrophe.

We see scientists, institutes, governments all over the world searching, discussing. Opinions are contradictory and the ordinary earthlings no longer know what to think.

In front of this general confusion I therefore asked the question:

What is the position of the unconscious about a cosmic catastrophe? Do dreams talk about it? And what do they say?

To answer this question, I presented the dream of a dreamer in her forties:

"Threat of planetary disaster".

What was it about?

In the dream, an astrologer who studies the planets announced to the dreamer that the earth was going to be destroyed by a missile. The earth symbolised the body of the dreamer, the planets represented the men who appear at night in her life. As for the missile, it designated the tyrannical ideas of the dreamer who refused to enter into an ongoing relationship with a man.

The dream warned the young woman that she had to change her conception of love relationships: in fact, she was putting her life as a woman in danger by refusing to make room for the man, by refusing to engage in a lasting relationship that was not just for pleasure. The dream advised her to learn how to build a bond with man.

The study of this dream led us in conclusion to ask ourselves the question:

Would there be a relationship between the outside world and the inside world?

Could the quality of our outer earthly environment be related to the quality of our inner life, which the alchemists called "our inner earth", whose other name is the unconscious?

Would our outer earth be sick because our inner earth, our unconscious, is mistreated?

And now here's a new dream that may come to give us some more information. He came in 2011 to answer the direct and unambiguous dream incubation question right in the middle of our research topic:

"How to save our planet?"

Maud, the dreamer, had received a long and detailed dream in response. It is now up to me to present this dream and its interpretation. Despite my concern to remain succinct, the study is a bit long, but it is worth reading it through to the end.

Dream
I find myself on a gravel road, deserted, and I turn left. I hear a rustle and see a dustbin. I tell myself it must be a rat. It doesn't bother me. I'm sure it's going to run away when it hears me approaching. I stop in front of the rubbish bin and look for the rat.

Instead of a rat I find a small hole in the planks of the rubbish bin at road level.

There is a tiny elephant in the hole.

How can it be so small? It's a perfect elephant! I am baffled. I can hear the clinking of the chain it is attached to.

I bend down to greet it and touch it with my fingers.

A new creature tumbles out of the hole. What is it? It's a monkey, tiny too. It fits easily in my hands. I can feel its silky fur under my fingers and I'm happy to meet it.

And here comes another creature out of the hole again.

Oh, he's a miniature human. Could it be a gnome, a leprechaun? I help him to get back on his feet, but he doesn't like it at all and he gives me a "scolding".

What is this fairy tale and what does it have to do with healing the planet?

This is the incubation question that we must constantly keep in mind during the interpretation.

Interpretation

I am on a gravel road, deserted. I turn left.

By incubating a dream Maude has entered the natural and solitary path of dreams; she moves away from the right, from the conscious outside world, from its order, its mastery and its conceptions, to move to the left, towards a world of another order, towards the unconscious world that will answer her question: how to save our planet.

The dream then draws her attention:

I hear a rustle and see a dustbin.

First answer: if it is a question of pretending to save the planet, then the dustbin must be taken into consideration. Which is to say?

The dustbin contains everything you don't want, everything that you voluntarily reject because you think it is dirty, rotten or useless.

Isn't this how the dreamer, influenced by the prevailing conceptions, pictures her unconscious?

I will not tire of recalling these words of Jung at the end of his life:

"Sigmund Freud' ideas confirmed most people in their contempt for the unconscious psyche. Before him, its existence was ignored or neglected. Now it has become a moral rubbish dump. This modern point of view is certainly narrow-minded and unjust. It doesn't even coincide with the known facts."

This rubbish bin on the left, on the solitary road, therefore represents in the dreamer what she considers to be her unconscious, which, as some therapists claim, is filled with dirty memories and experiences, traumas, negative rubbish, which we must get rid of.

The dream would therefore invite the dreamer to pay attention to the rubbish that would soil her unconscious.

I tell myself that it must be a rat. It doesn't bother me. I'm sure it will run away when it hears me approaching. I stop in front of the rubbish bin and look for the rat.

- Could the rat, which lives underground, symbolise the male sex?

- It runs around and bites: could it indicate the sexual desires that nibble at the flesh?

- The rat devours and destroys, so it could also represent gnawing negative thoughts, worries and sorrow that eat you up.

Anyway, Maude, who feels strong, is convinced that if she looks into her unconscious, she will chase away this filthy rat, her repressed desires, her negative thoughts.

But the dream shows her something else.

Instead of a rat I discover, at road level, a small hole in the wooden planks of the dustbin.

The assembled planks have come apart and can no longer hold the enclosed contents that will escape at road level.

Why does the dream give this detail: at road level, at ground level?

What the dream wants to show lies neither in the aerial heights of various intellectual conceptions, nor in the spheres of moral ideals or disembodied pseudo-spiritualities. The dream asks the dreamer to look at what is at the very bottom.

If, therefore, she claims to be helping to save the planet, she must first lower her head, look down, humbly, and take into consideration earthly life, the life of the body, the "low" instinctive realities, thrown away in the dustbin.

And what is it that is stirring and making noise in the unconscious bin?

Three beings different from humans appear successively. Two animals and a gnome: they are therefore instinctive vital dynamisms that she has thrown away in the dustbin.

These beings are all three tiny. Why?

Their size indicates that the dreamer finds it difficult to grasp, to measure these unconscious dynamisms within her. She does not recognise their dimension and underestimates them.

Let's take a look at these three creatures.

There is a tiny elephant in the hole.

According to the Buddhist myth that the dreamer knows well, the white elephant is the image of the god Ganesha who was the father of Buddha, it symbolises earthly wisdom.

No other animal has a larger mass of flesh. No other is in such broad contact with the earth, its realities and laws, as this pachyderm with enormous feet is. Its trunk and huge ears indicate that it sniffs, smells and hears the subtle world better than anyone else. It has its feet firmly on the ground, it follows his nose and listens to its intuition.

The elephant thus designates the incarnate spiritual instinct. How then can the spirit be received and experienced in the flesh, if the earthly body is not large and strong enough to receive it?

Yes, but here's the thing...

The elephant is tied up.

The dreamer doesn't even care that she has chained her intuitive abilities, she considers them as rubbish and trash and condemns them to oblivion. But the dream reminds her of their existence.

I bend down to greet the elephant and touch it with my fingers.

Thus the dream suggests to her to recognise this intuitive force in her that she has excluded, to become aware of it, to contact it, to greet it by bending down with humility.

This is the first task to be carried out to save the planet.

Under these conditions, if Maud gets in touch with her instinctive "nose", her intuitive wisdom, then she allows another faculty to present itself immediately:

A new creature tumbles out of the hole. What is it?

It's a monkey, also tiny. It fits easily in my hands. I can feel its silky fur under my fingers and I'm happy to meet it.

Now the dreamer gets in touch with sensations and inner perceptions, she finds pleasure in caressing the body of this small animal: thus the dream reminds her of the reality of the sensual pleasures that her female body can experience.

With the elephant the dream has just evoked intuitive faculties and wisdom. Could these qualities be related to sensual pleasures? According to various current research on this subject, orgasm would make women more intelligent. (1)

Thus with the two little animals, the dream invites the dreamer to rediscover instinctive reactions, everything that is experienced in the body: feelings, sensations, emotions, dreams, precognitions, premonitions, intuitions and inspirations, which are expressed in the inner world.

These are the spontaneous manifestations of the unconscious. But the dreamer, who does not understand and control them, has condemned them on the conscious and rational level and has excluded them in the dustbin.

And here comes another creature out of the hole again.

Oh, he's a miniature human. Could it be a gnome, a leprechaun?

The word gnome is a combination of two Greek roots: genomos meaning "inhabitant of the earth", "earth-dweller", and gnōmē meaning "thought, intelligence". The gnome possesses great knowledge of the telluric secrets, he is the spirit of the earth, he knows its secrets and laws, he knows where the underground treasures are hidden, which he can also give to humans. He therefore symbolises the spirit of the unconscious, whose resources and creativity exceed our conscious intelligence.

He falls into the dust and I help him to get back on his feet, but it makes him angry and he gives me a scolding.

The dreamer thinks she's doing the right thing by helping the gnome up, but he makes her understand that he doesn't need her services. He even gives her a scolding. Why is this?

The gnome, the spirit of the earth, does not need her services, which annoy and irritate him.

So what can we deduce from all these images and this scenario?

Maud asks for a dream that will allow her to help save the planet. An elephant and a monkey appear, coming out of a bin.

These animals show her that the spontaneous and natural unconscious life, both spiritual and animal, has been soiled and rejected. In order to help planet earth, Maud should therefore first take care of herself, welcome her "nose", her intuition, her feelings, and also the pleasures of her sensuality. She should concretely give back to her physical and spiritual instincts their rightful place.

Then the dream introduces her to a gnome, the spirit of the earth, which possesses the intelligence of its secrets and laws. It is he who knows whether the planet is sick or not. It is he who knows what to do if the planet is sick.

In fact, with all her good intentions, with her questioning to heal the planet, the dreamer annoys and irritates him. She disturbs him, she hinders him in his activity. What is she doing here? Why does she pretend to pick him up? He copes very well with his position on the floor. He hasn't asked her for anything. He doesn't need her. Let her leave him alone, he knows what he has to do, he can stand up by himself if he feels like it.

And she, let her mind her own business, let her take care of her own land, her intuition and the pleasure of her senses, let her be aware and respect the instinctive manifestations of her body instead of judging them as dirty and rejecting them.

The spirit of Nature is furious that Maud wants to meddle in its business, the earth. What does she know about the plans and laws that govern it? How can she dare to claim to save the earth when, with her rational conscience, she is not even capable of understanding the intelligence of nature? Has she not thrown everything that is earthly and instinctive into a dustbin?

Do we not again recognise the arrogance of the conscious which believes itself to be omniscient, omnipotent and able to save the earth, thus acting like it is the master of the earth?

And here, as in the previous dream, we come to ask ourselves the question:

Would our outer earth be sick because our inner earth, our unconscious is mistreated?

Conclusion

Don't be surprised if my study does not go in the direction of certain current ideas shared by the dreamer. I have already told you: the dream has precisely the unpleasant habit of drawing attention to exactly what we don't think, what we don't see, what we don't know, which is nevertheless of vital importance. It invites us to broaden our minds and to welcome other ways of seeing and conceiving.

For my part, I loved this dream. It gives relief and confidence. It shows that Nature knows what it has to do and does not need our help, which only bother it. Nature is wiser than we are.

Jung said:

"I'm not one of those people who believe that they have to make sure that cherries have stems.

I stand here, watching what nature is capable of".

And if now it is the cherry tree in the garden that is sick, what can we do to save it? A burning question that a dreamer once asked her dream.

Next time we'll see what the unconscious has to say about it...

Notes

(1) http://leplus.nouvelobs.com/contribution/1127528-le-sexe-rend-plus-intelligent-enfin-on-cesse-de-croire-que-le-coit-nuit-a-l-intellect.html

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/01/how-sex-affects-intelligence-and-vice-versa/282889/

Illustrations

I would like to thank the painters and photographers whose works allowed me to illustrate my blog.

The proposal, a painting by contemporary Scottish artist Jack Vettriano: http://tillart.co.uk/

Healing the planet: http://christinekane.com/

Rubbish bin: https://fr.123rf.com/

"The unconscious is a moral bin": http://koreus.com/

Miniature elephant: http://wadbuzz.com/

Elephant: http://fondecran.biz/

Monkey: http://en.123rf.com/

The two paintings of the young women are the work of the contemporary Russian artist Serge Marschenikov: https://www.pinterest.fr/chris91610033/serge-marshennikov/

Gandalf: http://arwen.undomiel.com/

Jung: http://babelio.com/

Remark

I have taken up here the study of this dream that I published on my French blog in June 2013. Today I have tried to give you the essential marrow of it.

http://christiane-riedel.blogspirit.com/archive/2013/01/06/deux-bonnes-nouvelles-la-fin-du-monde-n-aura-pas-lieu-et-une.html

The current version was published on the French blog on 23 october 2019:

http://christiane-riedel.blogspirit.com/archive/2019/10/23/sauver-la-planete-etude-2-3142943.html

Dear blog friends,

Here I am, as promised, happy to enter the exciting adventure with dreams and with you.
To begin with, I have chosen a theme that is particularly close to everyone's heart at the moment: ecology.

Christiane has set out what dreams have to say about it in six successive and exciting articles, which I can't wait to share with you.
Here is the first one, which she published on 27th September 2019 on the French Blog. Let us have a look at what Christiane says:

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Today I am addressing a topical subject: I am referring to the planetary catastrophe, caused, for some, by air pollution, for others, by the pollution of land and seas, and many other reasons.

For months, on all sides, people in congresses and in the media have become agitated. The alarm is general, everyone swings into action, we demonstrate, we burst into tears, we accuse governments of a shameful inertia.

Faced with this general panic, we could still ask ourselves a question:

- What is the position of the unconscious on this subject?

And further questions:

- The unconscious being so benevolent, does it maybe even send dreams that would offer solutions? Why not?

- So what are the dreams that could enlighten us ?

- In these welcome dreams, could we discover one or more permanent features that would allow us to venture a few coherent and probable deductions?

Furthermore we can wonder if psychiatrists, psychoanalysts, psychologists, psychotherapists have studied the subject? Do they give an answer? Unfortunately, I am not aware of it.

For my part, therefore, as a dream interpreter, I immersed myself in research. My efforts were not in vain. Some dreams in fact came back to me.

I would like to submit three of them to you, which deal with the calamities that threaten the earth. We will see if these dreams have any points in common and could provide an answer to the prevailing distress.

Today I am presenting you the first one.

This dream was received eleven years ago, in summer 2009. It was about the great catastrophe announced for 2012.

In the following lines, I will study this dream step by step to show you how to practice the interview technique. I hope this long text does not put you off. The end is worth it.

2012

In 2009, everyone is predicting a cataclysm for 2012. This is one more prediction that comes on top of all sorts of predictions of doom for 2012, in a list that has been growing for centuries:

What are these predictions?

- Harmful conjunction of the planets, as astrologers periodically establish.

- Pole reversal as indicated by clairvoyant Edgar Cayce in the last century.

- Dire prophecy of the Virgin Mary who appeared at La Salette in 1846, who announced the end times with tears.

- As for Nostradamus, it is said that five centuries ago he unveiled the end of the world for our days.

- Before him, almost 2000 years ago, St John the Apostle, inspired on the island of Patmos in Asia Minor, predicted this end of the world, in his Revelation, the last book of the Bible.

- And long before that, the Mayans in South America calculated this end of the world in their calendar, which ends in 2012.

Everyone was wondering if in 2012 the earth's poles would reverse, a comet would explode the planet, an atomic bomb destroy our world, a monstrous plague destroy humanity.

And the dreams were talking about it too!

Damn!

When they speak of it, should they be considered as prophecies of global significance or should we interpret them at the symbolic level, thus limiting them to the individual level?

The question is a serious one and deserves our attention. So let's see.

Marina received in 2009 a dream about this that seemed very premonitory. Intrigued, worried, she confided it to me. Here it is:

Dream:

In my dream, I was with an astrologer. She was telling me that in 2012 a missile was going to destroy the world, the earth. It was a missile sent by the North Koreans. I thought philosophically that this would bring about a revival, but I was still very anxious.

Working method

The dream is apparently very clear. Should we then take it literally, concretely? Does it, too, really forecast the final catastrophe in the outside world, caused by a war with North Korea?

Any truly professional interpreter knows that a dream must be examined on the outer and inner level, on the objective and subjective level. The serious interpreter will therefore be careful not to decide on it immediately and will always examine the dream according to the two levels, the two hypotheses.

On the outer level

If the meaning of the dream is to be taken literally and not symbolically, I have nothing to translate. It only remains for me to honestly announce this dream on my blog as a prophecy (which would have proven wrong as we can tell it in 2020!). But before choosing this first direct and easy interpretation, it is also essential to proceed methodically to the analysis on the inner, symbolic level.

Inner level analysis. For this you need to ...

1) Study the pictures one after the other and see if they might have an individual symbolic meaning.

2) Rigorously check that the interpretation of each image corresponds coherently to the experience of the dreamer.

3) If this correspondence cannot be established, it is because this second interpretation at the symbolic level is not appropriate. Then, and only then, can we adopt the literal interpretation, on the outer level.

This requires first and foremost a methodical analytical work, to which we will now commit ourselves.

Symbolic interpretation on the inner level

Let's take a look at the different symbols.

An astrologer

For Marina, the astrologer examines the movement of the planets, which influence our planet Earth. In doing so, she can deduce and date the events that will take place at the collective or individual level; she is thus in charge of foreseeing the lives of humans.

What does the astrologer symbolise in Marina?

After a moment's reflection, Marina considers that this astrologer, with her faculties of seeing the future, designates the dream, which from the events of a lifetime is able to predict its continuation. The unconscious indeed has the knowledge of natural and universal laws.

And what do the earth and the planets represent at the symbolic level?

- The earth, says the young woman, is where I live, the world around me.

Interview question:

- How is the earth?

- She is beautiful, but she is in pain, humans are destroying her.

I then ask:

- Marina, what does that make you think about right now, inside you, this beautiful world in pain?

The young woman looks at me and answers:

- Inside me? It is I who is suffering at this moment, in my being, in my body, my friend has just left me.

My heart could but ache at hearing this.

I continue my investigation:

- And what are the planets?

- These are bodies that are part of the solar system, they carry the names of the ancient gods, we can see them at night.

And Marina immediately interprets:

- Ah yes, I understood: inside me, the planets, they are bodies like the Earth, they are the beings who live in my space and exert an influence in my life. These planets, which bear the names of the gods, Mercury, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, Pluto, these are the men I have seen at night.

Venus is love, and I, with my body, am planet Earth.

Now we have to recapitulate and make sense of it. I suggest :

- The astrologer would therefore be the unconscious within you that speaks to you in your dreams. At this time, when you are in pain because your friend has left you, the subconscious comes to help you and gives you a consultation. He has the faculty of anticipating, he knows how to predict the future according to the movements of men in your environment. He's coming to warn you of an impending catastrophe. Does this interpretation suit you?

Marine nods and exclaims:

- Well! The forecasts are hardly encouraging!

Let's take a look at the rest:

2012

- 2012 is three years away, Marina tells me. It would be the end of the world, it's something terrible that everyone dreads.

And without waiting for my summary and my questions, she makes the logical deductions herself:

- It would therefore be the end of my current life, the end of this life where men, like planets, appear and disappear at night, leaving me in pain.

- Yes, no matter how philosophically you say in your dream that afterwards it will be a new world, the event is still a total desaster in your personal life. This is not to be taken lightly.

Let's take a very close look at your dream. What does the unconscious astrologer tell you?

The earth will be destroyed by a Korean missile.

A missile

- It is a weapon of attack or defence, the dreamer explains to me, it is meant to annihilate the enemy. It is sent by air. Its repercussions are terrifying, they destroy everything.

I take up these explanations again to bring out their symbolic significance.

- Marina, this weapon is sent by the air, it is therefore located at the level of thought, it represents terrifying defence arguments, which destroy your land, the life of your body as a woman. Does this make you think of something, at this moment of break-up with your friend?

- Oh dear! Yes! When I met Yvan, I immediately got things straight. He's twelve years younger than me. I have my child, but he doesn't accept it. I'm willing to have a love relationship so we can enjoy good times together, but nothing more. There is no question of predictions or plans, of talking about tomorrow. I don't offer him anything to build a life together. I think these are the arguments, the missiles with which I attacked Yvan right away, so as not to build anything definitive with him or with another.

I continue:

- The dream gives you precision with the Koreans. Who are they?

Korean people

- North Korea is currently under a crazy dictatorship, explains Marina. The leaders have a taste for power and omnipotence. They forbid any intrusion into their country, people live locked up and in misery.

I exclaim!

- But Marina, do you hear what you are saying? Do you see what you are imposing on yourself? Do you see the dictator in you? You forbid yourself any contact with the outside world, you are afraid of being invaded, you live locked up, blocked, because you want to dominate everything. You are afraid of having to consider others in your territory.

What is the result?

You will never be able to build anything with the intruder that is a man in a woman's life, this possible enemy who might just as easily become a friend.

- Yes, I understand, says the dreamer. I threaten my life as a woman with arbitrary and destructive arguments that dissuade the men around me and destroy any attempt at a love relationship.

I pick up the dream again:

- You see very well what is happening, and if you continue like this, in a while, it will be a catastrophe, like 2012, it will be the end of your life as a woman, you will completely destroy your land, your body, your love life.

You have to ask yourself why you received such a dream. Isn't it to warn you that it is extremely urgent that you change your way of life, you have to reconsider your relationship with men, your conception of love relationships.

- I realise that, Marina sighed. I'm over forty, now I need a relationship where I am committed, where I can make room for the man, and not just for the bed. I have to learn not to want to dominate any more, to accept that the relationship is not exactly the way I want it, even though it hurts. It's true, I understand that I have to make concessions, to learn to be conciliatory in order to build a bond with a man.

What to say to Marina in conclusion?

- You have received a dream that is a serious warning for your personal life. It is a disaster scenario. That is to say, if you continue to behave the way you are behaving, you will destroy your life as a woman before long. But this is only one possible perspective. It is up to you to change the terms.

Conclusion

2012. Does this dream herald the end of the world, the end of humanity? Well no!

The planet Earth of the dream symbolizes the dreamer's body.

The dream uses the threat of 2012 to represent an inner situation and to make the young woman aware of the danger she runs with her will to dominate her life according to her tyrannical ideas.

This, my blog friends, is what we should remember about a disaster scenario. Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, bombings, planes crashing in your dreams, atomic explosions are not premonitory in the usual sense.

If you receive this kind of dream, well, you must you must come to terms with the fact that you are neither clairvoyant nor medium and that your dream does not entrust you with a prophecy for humanity.

Frequently, the dream of total upheaval does not speak of a general plague, which would fall upon humans. This dream is individual and concerns you first and foremost. It warns you that a disastrous event may occur in your life if you are not careful. It is the role of the dream to help the dreamer to become aware of his or her alarming situation and to change his or her behaviour accordingly. This is a fact that has been known for thousands of years, even if our mentality has forgotten it or does not want to know it.

Opening

I now invite you to ask yourself a question:

Would there be a relationship between the outside world and the inside world?

Could the quality of our outer earthly environment be related to the quality of our inner life, which the alchemists called "our inner earth", whose other name is the unconscious?

Would our outer earth be sick because our inner earth, our unconscious, is mistreated?

It must be understood that as far as the unconscious is concerned, this is the other part of our life, the other half, ignored, despised or exploited. Can we unduly, with impunity, reject the unconscious life, the life of the body, the instinctive dimension of our being?

This dream clearly indicates that what we experience on the inside has an influence on the world around us. The rejection of our instinctive inner earth can cause damage in our concrete outer life.

Another dream awaits you soon on my blog.

See you soon

Christiane

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Next time, I will tell you what dreams advice to save the planet ...

Expect surprises! ...

Marianne

Illustrations

I would like to thank the painters and photographers, whose works enabled me to illustrate my blog.

- 2012: https://images-eu.ssl-images-amazon.com/

- The earth is suffering: https://la--terre--et--nous.skyrock.com/2634870722-Respire-et-souffre.html

- Young woman: painting by contemporary Russian artist Serge Marschenikov

https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3mG6GbfIHKo/VtXbz8-MEhI/AAAAAAAFdZE/5VC7EpHtxMo/s1600/Serge+Marshennikov+Tutt'Art@+(33-).jpg

- Missile: http://www.wallpaperup.com/23890/manipulation_apocalyptic_paris_invasion_destruction_cities_fire_flames_missile_smoke_cg_digital-art.html

- The following three paintings are by contemporary Scottish artist Jack Vettriano.

Elettra: http://elettra.eklablog.fr/

The proposal: http://tillart.co.uk/

Waltzes: http://prints.co.nz/

This dream interpretation was published on the French blog on 27th September 2019: http://christiane-riedel.blogspirit.com/archive/2019/09/27/menace-de-catastrophe-planetaire-3142066.html